Islam and premarital sex?

[AbandonedSoldier]

Hey. I'm a young guy from Europe who came back to Islam.

The only doubt remaining is premarital sex. It is considered a sin in the Quran, but Amr said there is the harem system.

I looked online about it, the right hand possession, but that requires the concubines/harem to be slaves.
Since slavery nowadays doesn't exist, I don't particularly understand how Amr said it can be done now.

In 1400 i understand why it was necessary to keep men from having premarital sex, but nowadays I just don't understand how it can be considered a sin, or a bad thing, since I don't hurt anybody doing it.

I tried asking on reddit, they bashed me saying to come back to Islam when I was less sexist.

I don't want to marry, I'm not willing to give my future and energy to only one woman for just sex.

Is it really said in the quran that in every case premarital sex is forbidden? Because I read it's unlawful. But if I live in a place where there is no sharia it can't be considered unlawful no?

 

[Alpha Male Lifestyle]

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Narrated Anas: I will narrate to you a Hadith and none other than I will tell you about after it. I heard Allah's Apostle saying: From among the portents of the Hour are (the following): 1. Religious knowledge will decrease (by the death of religious learned men). 2. Religious ignorance will prevail. 3. There will be prevalence of open illegal sexual intercourse. 4. women will increase in number and men will decrease in number so much so that fifty women will be looked after by one man. (Book #3, Hadith #81)

1) We are living in the above just look around you.

2) If you do the math only less than 3% of men will have women and they will have to lead 50 women.

3) Women today don't want to be subservient. In the past they had no choice now they do.

4) Women want to have fun. They would rather be childless and have a career than a family and responsibilies.

Marriage is obsolete because of women and they will only marry for money. You are a walking ATM which stands for Attention Time and Money.

Regarding what your right hand posses a slave or property if you may. In the red pill community we know for fact that you must own a woman's soul.

Here's the thing, women today are attracted to guys who have LMS, Looks Money and Status. That's they way it should be. This explains why we have so many inferior people walking around because women were sleeping with substandard males. Today they are reverting back to the way things should with vengeance.

So to answer your question how to do we get a harem.

App!

All marriage is is a business contract. Slavery back in the day was taking people against their will. You can very well take people with their consent. Think about it from a female's perspective, would I rather be married to an unimportant loser nobody and be equal to him in a relationship OR be subservient to Leonardo Dicaprio and enjoy the best life has to offer.

If you think about it, women really are subservient to men. Their boss!

 

[Wildcat4mation]

Hey. I'm a young guy from Europe who came back to Islam.

The only doubt remaining is premarital sex. It is considered a sin in the Quran, but Amr said there is the harem system.

I looked online about it, the right hand possession, but that requires the concubines/harem to be slaves.
Since slavery nowadays doesn't exist, I don't particularly understand how Amr said it can be done now.

In 1400 i understand why it was necessary to keep men from having premarital sex, but nowadays I just don't understand how it can be considered a sin, or a bad thing, since I don't hurt anybody doing it.

I tried asking on reddit, they bashed me saying to come back to Islam when I was less sexist.

I don't want to marry, I'm not willing to give my future and energy to only one woman for just sex.

Is it really said in the quran that in every case premarital sex is forbidden? Because I read it's unlawful. But if I live in a place where there is no sharia it can't be considered unlawful no?

"In 1400 i understand why it was necessary to keep men from having premarital sex, but nowadays I just don't understand how it can be considered a sin, or a bad thing, since I don't hurt anybody doing it."

Women are hurt as well as satisfied by sex. It is almost like they go through the pain until they are fully stimulated OR they end up hurting so much from it that they actually like it (kind of explains why they liked being whipped in BDSM). Females, naturally, have high pain tolerances.

I think Amr even states in one of his videos and I paraphrase: that women do not care to give sex if they know they can get more from it. They know that it can hurt them because we keep pushing into them and going up and down; however, they know that financial freedom is ultimately waiting on the other side if they are impregnated or if they can accuse the man of rape.

 

[Alpha Male Lifestyle]

"In 1400 i understand why it was necessary to keep men from having premarital sex, but nowadays I just don't understand how it can be considered a sin, or a bad thing, since I don't hurt anybody doing it."

Women are hurt as well as satisfied by sex. It is almost like they go through the pain until they are fully stimulated OR they end up hurting so much from it that they actually like it (kind of explains why they liked being whipped in BDSM). Females, naturally, have high pain tolerances.

I think Amr even states in one of his videos and I paraphrase: that women do not care to give sex if they know they can get more from it. They know that it can hurt them because we keep pushing into them and going up and down; however, they know that financial freedom is ultimately waiting on the other side if they are impregnated or if they can accuse the man of rape.

Yes, that's true. Said it in my video about training men like a dog. The act itself hurts but what's waiting on the other side makes it worthwhile. Nowadays because big daddy government puts all the powers in her hand there's no point in putting out for the hubby. Furthermore with social media when it is that time of the month she can simply reply hey to any of her male orbiters and she's guaranteed to get laid. Today there's really no reason for a woman to be with a man other than using him as a Attention Time Money utility.

 

[khaledismail]

Search fifty women in Hadith Books of Sahih Al-Bukhari صحيح البخاري - all words

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Narrated Anas: I will narrate to you a Hadith and none other than I will tell you about after it. I heard Allah's Apostle saying: From among the portents of the Hour are (the following): 1. Religious knowledge will decrease (by the death of religious learned men). 2. Religious ignorance will prevail. 3. There will be prevalence of open illegal sexual intercourse. 4. women will increase in number and men will decrease in number so much so that fifty women will be looked after by one man. (Book #3, Hadith #81)

1) We are living in the above just look around you.

2) If you do the math only less than 3% of men will have women and they will have to lead 50 women.

3) Women today don't want to be subservient. In the past they had no choice now they do.

4) Women want to have fun. They would rather be childless and have a career than a family and responsibilies.

Marriage is obsolete because of women and they will only marry for money. You are a walking ATM which stands for Attention Time and Money.

Regarding what your right hand posses a slave or property if you may. In the red pill community we know for fact that you must own a woman's soul.

Here's the thing, women today are attracted to guys who have LMS, Looks Money and Status. That's they way it should be. This explains why we have so many inferior people walking around because women were sleeping with substandard males. Today they are reverting back to the way things should with vengeance.

So to answer your question how to do we get a harem.

App!

All marriage is is a business contract. Slavery back in the day was taking people against their will. You can very well take people with their consent. Think about it from a female's perspective, would I rather be married to an unimportant loser nobody and be equal to him in a relationship OR be subservient to Leonardo Dicaprio and enjoy the best life has to offer.

If you think about it, women really are subservient to men. Their boss!

I believe what is meant by "women will increase in number and men will decrease in number so much so that fifty women will be looked after by one man." is that the prophet is reporting a status of how critical the situation is. It means that the ratio of suitable man to woman is 1:50. It doesn't mean that a man will be a leader of 50 women as harem. This is not a proof of the validity of the harem system.

From my understanding, the way out is either marriage or right hand possession. The later is no longer existing.

I think marriage is still the solution. But not the way it's done in Egypt and maybe else where in MENA region. The man and woman can marry following the right teachings and live a "boyfriend/girlfriend" kind of life and if it does not work; well they can divorce no strings attached.

What I'm trying to say is that they can marry outside the government rule, "زواج عرفي", and without the interference of their families nor the society. But sadly they will face great oppression from their parents, the parents are trying to protect their children but sometimes can end up hurting them, and so the cycle goes on and on about a man trying to find a good woman to marry in the Egyptian way.

I really wish there is a solution.

 

[Wildcat4mation]

I believe what is meant by "women will increase in number and men will decrease in number so much so that fifty women will be looked after by one man." is that the prophet is reporting a status of how critical the situation is. It means that the ratio of suitable man to woman is 1:50. It doesn't mean that a man will be a leader of 50 women as harem.

I actually think that may happen. Think about it. If women get their way and THEY are the only one to dictate who is birthed, they could easily abort any male and keep females. Of course, they would probably be smart enough to understand that you cannot do that too much or else the human species will die out. The ratio could end up very well being 50 to 1 at some point.

 

[khaledismail]

I actually think that may happen. Think about it. If women get their way and THEY are the only one to dictate who is birthed, they could easily abort any male and keep females. Of course, they would probably be smart enough to understand that you cannot do that too much or else the human species will die out. The ratio could end up very well being 50 to 1 at some point.

This can be possible cause for the effect. But what I was trying to say is that even if there is a 1:50 man to woman ratio, this doesn't justify a man can have 50 women harem. From my understanding of the religion, there are two ways you can have permitted sexual relations which is either marriage or right hand possession.

I think when the time comes of the 1:50 ratio, this will indicate a very hard time for man that if he endures he will be rewarded.

The way I'm looking at the situation is that if such system is valid, we would have some scholars talking about it.